I like how Lestrade and Moriarty, two people from Sherlock’s past, claimed to know him better than Watson does in moments where they were CLEARLY jealous of the Joan/Sherlock bond. Lestrade jealous because now Watson had the chance to be the ‘special’ one, Moriarty jealous because now Sherlock has someone else in his life that he cares about.
I don’t think they know Sherlock better. Lestrade and Sherlock were “never really that close” and well, Moriarty had a relationship with Sherlock that lasted what? 7 months? And remember that Moriarty travelled a lot and they possibly spent several weeks apart? Yeah, not an extensive period of convivence either.
Joan lives with Sherlock for more than a year. They share the same house. They work together. They are together 24/7. Joan even met his brother. She goes where he goes.
To me it’s obvious that Joan knows him better. Not only because of their extraordinary and unique connection. She just does. When you share your life with someone, you two grow together. You know this person better because you’re there all the time, watching the change.
Moriarty and Lestrade knew the drug addict who never gave a shit about anyone else other than himself. Watson knows the recovering drug addict who shows empathy and considers her opinion as valuable as his own. I doubt Sherlock proposed a partnership to Lestrade the way he did to Watson, for example. Just look how brash the beginning of his relationship with Moriarty was. “Oh you’re pretty and clever let’s have dinner and bang later”. With Watson, he is cautious up to eleven even today. “I don’t mean to pry” or “Sorry, I intruded”. The difference about him, empirically speaking, is her. He is different. It’s a fact. They don’t know him so well anymore.
On the other hand, we all know how Watson suffers from self-esteem issues. Her partnership with Sherlock made her trust more in herself. But all these “I know him better than you” are, to me, an attempt of these two jealous people who want to mine their relationship because they are feeling the loss of Sherlock’s attention and, most importantly, they want to mine Watson’s confidence.
If it’s working or not, only the next episodes can explain.
Guys, I couldn’t help it. I finished Howl’s Moving Castle today.
:-) It’s good, isn’t it? I will probably finish by Sunday at the latest (who am I kidding, it’ll probably be tonight or tomorrow morning). Hopefully (I accidentally typed “howlfully” there originally - whoops), I’ll be able to get back to posts and replies soon too.
That sounds brilliant! I’m in the midst of watching the film again. A little disappointed but not surprised that most of the details are left out or changed. Howl is a lot more likeable in the film.
OKAY OKAY OKAY I KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY FANDOMS STARTING NOW, LIKE THE SINK FANDOM AND THE TREEHOUSE FANDOM AND THE BLANKET FORT FANDOM, BUT YOU ARE ALL MISSING ONE.
BUT THEY AREN’T LIMITED TO INSIDE THE HOME
THERE ARE SECRET ROOMS FOR CARS
YOU EITHER LIKE SECRET ROOMS
OR YOU’RE WRONG
Oh here’s a strange little thought from a sleep deprived brain. The roosters are symbolic of Sherlock. Loud, imposing, dare I say, cocky. Lestrade can’t handle them. But Joan has them eating out of the palm of her hand. For someone who kept saying “no” I’m not feeding them, she seems to have quickly accepted them.
She has, hasn’t she? Watson seems to be easily coaxed into things, unless they’re about moral issues, then, she’s as stubborn as they come.
because joan could write novels about sherlock’s habits and quirks, opinions and way with people (and possibly is!)
she made him open up in ways he never ever will with lestrade
but here’s the thing
she never knew him when he was using
Tags: elementary elementasquee it’s huge especially in light of lestrade’s other remarks you don’t know how well he knows you and the fact that the end left it a bit up in the air whether sherlock puppetmastered both Lestrade and joan how manipulative is sherlock really what is he capable of what kind of crimes and such could he justify commuting against Joan joan never actually saw sherlock at his lowest point so she doesn’t know really she has no idea
I think it’s a strong statement Lestrade made considering he never got as close to Sherlock as Watson has, and people change all the time. It’s hard to determine if an individual knows someone better based on one period of the person’s life. Lestrade may know what Sherlock’s capable of when using, but he has missed out on the dark Sherlock torturing a man, on the Moriarty events, and also on the changes in Sherlock’s life that Joan was there for.
Bottom line, while Lestrade may know some things about Sherlock that Joan doesn’t, she also knows stuff about Sherlock than Lestrade will never be aware of. Knowing Sherlock better is just subjective, imo.
ETA: Talking about manipulation, I think Sherlock has the potential to be as good at it as Moriarty. If he ever gives himself up entirely to the dark side. Killing people left and right and all that jazz.
"You don’t know how well he knows you."
Joan doesn’t, really. My headcanon says Sherlock’s the first one able to read her well. He’s astute enough, but she’s so used to hiding things behind a wall of privacy that whenever he reveals that he knows what she’s thinking, it’s a surprise to her. That’s what happened when he complimented her during the Watson family dinner, knowing how much it meant to her, and other instances such as being aware of the guilt she feels with Joey Castoro. Used in the context of manipulation gives that fact a darker tone.